john, you want to start? >> sure, that is part of the way a leader sells its policies, through an illustrative anecdotes that seems to connect and resonate with people -- through illustrative anecdotes that seem to connect in resonate with people. there will be a great many more of these stories about what happened and happens in the medical profession that obamacare has implemented that we cannot even imagine yet. >> i'm all for it. >> we do have to tell the doctor sorry, for instance. a tool be hard, but we have to tell americans that we cannot just take from providers. talk to any physician that operates, the works day in and day out, and they will tell you they will just opt out of medicare. >> you need stories, but you also have to have answers to the other kind of story. this goes back to the previous question about when you're talking about policy at the local level, if you look at the health-care debate, there are a lot of people in the united states of america who do not have health insurance and can